Has a third option been edited throughout history for religious gain?

November 21, 2006

Society has defined two genders within society, ‘male’ and ‘female’. These are the genders that we are now accustomed living our lives by. The traditional male role, he is the hunter, the breadwinner and he loves the woman. The woman is the home maker and she loves her man. The love within these traditional roles is between male and female. These roles have been made ‘holy’ by the church in order to sanctify that God’s creation of man and woman to become one flesh and to continue the male lineage through offspring. Is this God’s original intention though?

Whether we believe in God or not is irrelevant the point is the religion and specifically Christanity, in the West has shaped the foundation of how we live our lives, it has determined how we should think and act towards others, it has determined who we love. As a basic background the bible was edited by men, under the reign of Constantine, these men decided what should and should not be in the bible.

I have been looking at the relationship between Jonathan and David that could imply a third option of relationship – that of the male and male.

The bible says the following of the relationship between Jonathan and David;

Jonathan, the eldest son of Saul, is struck with love for David on their first meeting, “And it came to pass, when he [David] had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.” (1 Sam. 18:1). That same day, “Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul” (1 Sam. 18:3). Jonathan removes and offers David the rich garments he is wearing, and shares with him his worldly possessions: “And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.” (1 Sam. 18:4).

When Jonathan is slain on Mt. Gilboa by the Philistines (1 Sam. 31:2), David laments his death saying, “I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, surpassing the love of women.” (2 Sam. 1:26).

I just think that the relationship between these two was so beautiful, so intimate. Some authors suggest that this was a romantic relationship, a sexual relationship some state that it wasnt. It was known that David had a number of wives.

In the New Testament it is also stated that one of the disciples of Jesus lay on his Chest. Again I am not stating that this was sexual I am stating that in both of these scenarios there is a deep fondness and male / male intimacy that seems to have been edited out of society today.

What if there is something inherant within males, something innate that craves a relationship with a male. Imagine a non-sexual relationship where you lay on your mates chest, you kiss, but this is natural it is about ‘love’ – it’s something special. What if some blokes dont see this / feel this because of nurture. What if this love is so innate that they only way to understand it is to turn this desire for intimacy into something sexual, when, it may not be, but because it has been edited this has been the way it has found it’s expression.

 What if a men’s natural deep love for a man has been edited throughout history for religious gain?

Of course this would be the same for women and Naomi and Ruth’s biblical relationship has also been questioned as to whether this is one of a deeper intimacy for female and female.

Just a thought that’s been echoing throughout my mind.

8 Responses to “Has a third option been edited throughout history for religious gain?”

  1. shewalksinbeauty Says:

    I love that you are able to make this point. You will undoubtedly get some interesting feedback. I, for one, believe that there is a ton of information that has been edited out. The sole purpose of the Bible is to get a single, religious point of view across.


  2. It is a fact that ‘man’ compiled or chose which text went into what we now called the bible. This happened at the Nicene Council under the rule of Constantine when he decided to make Christianity a state religion. He made is a state religion not because of religious passion but more political power as a means to keep peace amongst the people. Obviously, Christian’s state that God gave these men the wisdom to decide what went in the bible and what didnt. It is more than possible that the bible was edited in order to portray a particular viewpoint as a means to rule the masses.

  3. Al Says:

    A single book to rule them all. To rule them effectively, for the most part. But it falls apart in places, because the text is chosen not by God or by natural selection; it is chosen by a few select people. A reference too small to find engage argument and the seeking of truth, and too large to be wholly correct.

  4. Herbwoman39 Says:

    The Bible is full of wonderful stories and fantastic lessons on how to live. It’s a great basic primer. Unfortunately it has been re-written about 4 times and the Roman Emperor Justinian had all references to reincarnation removed. So I can only imagine how many other things have been edited ot or re-written. Not to mention all the flaws and mistakes in reinterpretation from Aramaic to English. For instance the verse “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live” is actually “Thou shat not suffer an adultress to live.”.

    It’s all a big mess.

  5. shewalksinbeauty Says:

    As an atheist, I have always been fascinated by religions. I studied religion in college with a passion. The way the Bible was put together always fascinates me.


  6. Al – Good points. Your comment, ‘A reference too small to find, engage, argument and the seeking of truth, and too large to be wholly corrected’. This is a good point. There are many churches, theologians or scholars who speak of the bible in it’s right context, which is known as exegesis. However, there are many Christian leaders who take a verse from the bible, out of context in order to convey the point that they specifically want to convey – they MAKE the bible back themselves us. This is called isogesis.

    Herbwoman39 – Yes the bible is full of great stories. Whether Jesus was the son of God or not I certainly believe that his lifestyle is one that is worth aspiring too – love, compassion etc. I dont mean this to the exclusion of other religions, religious figure-heads etc. I am merely saying that this religious figurehead speaks to me personally.

    Shewalksinbeauty – Religion and faith is certainly fascinating!

    Thanks for your comments.

  7. Al Says:

    Hmm, my grammar completely abandoned me in the line you quoted. I think you have gathered the meaning but I’ll elaborate in case. I’m tired now, so I can only hope the following makes sense itself!

    I meant to say that a book, put together by man, can only be close to absolute truth if it has few words. The more words there are, the more mistakes and misinterpretations appear. If you wish to elaborate you must allow the conversation to run freely. Unfortunately the Bible is often used as the absolute truth, rather than a great place to start the conversation.

  8. Louisebrookslover Says:

    The small child asked. The old man told. That’s the way it was in the beginning. All wondered what meaning was out there, but it was not for the small and innocent to derive meaning, but those who evoked wisdom by their age, by their power over resources, by their stature within a tribe. All were commonly ignorant, both the powerful and the powerless, and both needed a myth to explain the cosmos, but only the powerful was in the position to provide this myth, and the ability to sustain the myth. When one power takes over from the other, the seams in the Bible become evident. Ultimately, the Bible is an attempt to understand and to control.


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